Friday, April 10, 2009

Risk versus Close-Call

Here's one for timing. My recent post today on risk related to vacant or unoccupied structures.... Check out the series of photos for a close call incident involving a trailer fire, HERE. Photo sequence by Patrick Scott.




Again, the question before us; Why the risk, What's the value, Who is looking out for our safety?

Are we engaging in Tactical Entertainment....are we setting ourselves up for an injury or worst?
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19 comments:

  1. Tactical entertainement makes for great tactical photography for tactical discussions later. You can argue with me but you can't argue withthe camera.

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  2. Wow, another great case to sit back and think about what "theory" some of us use when making those "tactical" decisions. Glad that appears no one was hurt.

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  3. Hello,

    I'm Patrick Scott and I'm very glad these shots can be used as a learning tool. I'm a photojournalist and a full time photographer and some of the things would scare the mess out of people. Your blog is great. Keep up the great work.

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  4. Doesnt get anymore straightforward than this. look and learn everybody

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  5. WOW,,,,how many things were wrong with this picture? How narrow was the tunnel vision?
    We have junk heaps like this in our district, and we are very careful about moving in, too many things to reach out and get you. And to actually make entry in that sardine can, and no coordination with the other hose team,, the red helmet "leading" that mess should be sent back to the academy.....

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  6. We are killing firefighters everyday because of the "America's Heros" mentality. When is common sense going to prevail. It seems that when tone drops our brains turn to mush. Please Please think safety.

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  7. Never Never go into a burning trailer without confirmed entrapment!!!!

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  8. I agree! Never should we be going in without confirming we have a reason to be in there. It is another example of how we needlessly put ourselves at risk without justification. We deserve to go home after every call to our family!

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  9. I thought that our fire service had evolved beyond going interior on a tin can with no report of occupants.
    To Patrick Scott: There is ONE reason the door closed...changing conditions; either the ambient conditions, that is, the wind picked up or changed directions OR the fire was preparing to flash and literally sucked the door shut.
    Regardless; I saw NO white helmets and clearly, the two who entered the trailer lacked direction or good decision-making skills.
    We are lucky that we don't have two LODDs out of this...all for the sake of squirting water on a tin can.
    Sad.

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  10. Although the firefighters entered the structure why did he break the Golden RULE? He left his partner! PUNK

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  11. So has the IC been suspended, followed by the Safety Officer? Better question what does a red helmet in the picture indicate?
    What positive steps focusing on safety has come out of this foolish action?
    There are a number of texts out there pertaining to fire ground strategy and tactics. I hope for the safety of the crews in this department a AFG is being submitted by this department focusing on training/safety supplies.
    Did this department hear about Charleston?

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  12. If you look at the photos the trailer was gone so the threat of a flash was next to nothing.These people still have belongings, I dont know about you but I cant just stand around and watch there life burn up. Its understandable to get the wrong impression of this fire if you were not there. what you don't see in these photos is this firefighter looking out the window several times at the photographer waiting for the perfect photo op. The firefighters never went more than a few feet from the door and the roof was already gone in the room that supposedly flashed. the firefighter that dove out the window left his partner inside without knowledge of his leaving. the firefighter remaining inside went back to door to try and locate the one that dove out the window then remained there and extinguished the fire. bottom line just because a rookie jumps out a window and says it flashed doesn't mean it did. the only safety issue at this fire was the firefighter that dove out the window for no reason. this same firefighter has fallen through 2 cielings and been on the front page more than anyone in their department though he has only been a firfighter for a little over a year.

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  13. So then why is this media mutt still on the fire department?
    The fact that he bailed on his partner would be reason enough for me to kick him off.
    You know; I'm tired of people using the "you weren't there" argument.
    NIOSH and OSHA are never there at the time either, but they figure it out and issue appropriate reports. Some of us can read and see what we see in pictures and videos and come to our conclusions.
    And to dismiss them as "you weren't there" is foolish.
    If you don't go inside of a car to extinguish the fire, then why would go inside a trailer?
    I know; no airbags.
    Sheesh.

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  14. I wasn’t there but I can read pictures. Looks as if the door wasn't closed because there was a charged hoseline in it or am I missing that? It also looks as if the door is with in a few feet from the window, why go out window when there is a door right there? Also other pictures looks like the house is burn out and I have no idea how far they are in the building but it looks as there just hitting the fire from other angels. What I find hard to believe is that a firefighter went out a window without his partner being a few inches behind him or from what it sounds like in other comments didn't even alert him.

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  15. I viewed the slide show and am troubled with the music accompaniment. The addition of music tends to glorify the acts of the firefighters in the show, which should be discussed and critiqued by a trained, skilled educator.

    Loose the music add lessons learned.

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  16. I viewed the slide show and am troubled with the music accompaniment. The addition of music tends to glorify the acts of the firefighters in the show, which should be discussed and critiqued by a trained, skilled educator.

    Loose the music add lessons learned.

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  17. Please let me start off by saying that the Firefighter did NOT look out the window at me and wait for a photo op. The pictures that you see on my site are of what I took. That accusation is wrong. I am a photojournalist and a professional photographer. I would never pretend to know the ins and out of firefighting. I let my shots be posted so all can see how tough this job is and for education. I believe what firefighters do everyday, is heroic and I always will. I can't for the life of me, understand all the anonymous people attacking this crew. They are hard working men who put bunker gear on like you do. As for the music on the slide show, The men and women from Law enforcement, Fire, EMS and more like this music and have requested this type. Try looking at the other slide shows and you'll find all types of music.
    Patrick Scott

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  18. It sounds to me the comments being made about our firefighters are probably coming from "medic"-firefighters and have never made entry on anything no matter if it was justified or not. I guess our cops should pack up and go home when they get shot at, o yea thats what they signed up for they knew the dangers just like a real firefighter does.

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  19. Tactical entertainement makes for great tactical photography for tactical discussions later. You can argue with me but you can't argue withthe camera.

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